1. Well put! My best advice is shop how you see fit.

    Like you said, using Black Friday sales and related weekend deals was when my family would stock up on socks, t-shirts, underwear, and other basics that we may have been putting off due to tight, tight finances. When the “good towels” are scratchy and threadbare and you can finally get new ones for over 60% off, heck yeah we’d take advantage. Of course, we never did the early line up, storm the stores type of deal, because, well, people don’t fight over towels and socks, lol.

    • That’s such sage advice. Shop as you see fit. You could write fortune cookies…or a blog! 😉 I haven’t taken part in the lines on Black Friday thanks to the good ol’ Internet!

      • True, but I’m 39 and when I was a kid, mid to late 80’s, there was no internet…. Yep, even into high school thru the mid 90’s still no internet shopping. ? Again, no biggie because people weren’t really lining up and brawling to get stuff then. I never remembered those scenes or news stories then. Most people were pretty civil and nice and it may be crowded but not horrific. Anyway, this weekend, I did nothing but online shop except for 3 strings of lights we needed, and that was Michael’s in a 5 minute line. And everyone was nice. ?

        • That’s great that it was such a pleasant experience! And trust me, I get the no Internet shopping. We had a typewriter until I was in 6th grade because my parents weren’t sold on the whole computer thing, especially when I could go to the library to type!

  2. Well said. There are ways that Black Friday marketing traps people into overspending, but there are also lots of people who carefully plan ahead and only buy gifts or purchases they’ve waited for all year. Nothing to judge there. I’m too lazy for Black Friday, but I’ll gladly shop Cyber Monday sales today, which is no better or worse in my mind.

    • Yes. So true, Kalie. There are definitely pitfalls that people would be wise to avoid. And I’m right there with you when it comes to preferring clicks to bricks and mortar shopping.

  3. Yeah, I get it. There were some great deals to be had, and even though I’m not a big fan of the circus atmosphere, I caved this year and went over to Kohls because my mother in law gave me my birthday money early and I knew it would go further there on that one morning. So yep, got a new pair of sneakers to replace my ratty ones and a couple of $10 sweaters in red and purple that are just like the blue one I choose to wear at least once a week.

    There’s no one right way to do Christmas shopping, no one right way to do anything really. No one right way to raise your kid, feed your kid, pursue your life, maintain your marriage, manage your money. As long as you’ve explored the consequences of your actions and are willing to live with them, you should have a lot of freedom to choose to do things the way you want to do them.

    • Glad you were able to score some sweaters! And you’re absolutely right. Different strokes for different folks. And if you’ve got the wisdom, share it!

  4. How funny – I wasn’t really active on social media this weekend, so I must have missed all the hysteria. I figure that – as always – people are using anything and everything to pimp their hustle.

    The worst is when personal finance bloggers use death (I saw a lot of tacky PF posts right after Prince died). Like, really? Profiting off of someone else’s tragedy?

    My advice for holiday shopping? Make a list of all your peeps and arrange dollar allocation according to your budget. Remember, it’s not about the gifts, it’s about time shared with loved ones.

    And, stop trying to keep up with the f#@!$ng Joneses, good grief!

    • Yup! Awesome advice, Katasha. I make a Christmas budget in October and start slogging away at my gifts. That way, I can balance shopping with charitable giving without feeling like I need another job!

  5. I’ll never understand the Black Friday Hate. I thought this community was all about taking advantage of the best deals so that we have more cash on hand to purchase the things that we really want?

    Either way, some of the best deals can be found online. It must sound crazy to some people, but you actually can find killer deals *AND* opt outside on the same day, perhaps even at the same time!

    • Exactly, TJ! There’s so many amazing dollar-stretching and money-saving strategies, I don’t know why we don’t encourage them on Black Friday.

  6. So many of the Black Friday benefits are overshadowed by media reports of fights and people being trampled at stores. I wonder how many others quietly take advantage of the day to shop as Christmas Angels for underprivileged families.

    I’ve been lucky (privileged) to not need any necessities and not have to shop on Black Friday for years. In addition, our Christmas gifts are simple and only for the kids–and now that they’re getting older we try to give experiences and time rather than toys. It’s my nature to avoid crowds and lines, so I’m #Thankful that I got to skip them again but hope that everyone who was out stayed safe and got what they needed.

    • My mom and I went to Kohls to pick up some board games since her school does a giving tree every year. It’s fun to be able to scoop up extra!

      We also went to a local hardware store that had poinsettias on sale since they make nice gifts for my bosses and my neighbors who don’t have pets (I hear they’re not safe for dogs!).

  7. Great line, Penny – “Just because they don’t tag themselves doesn’t mean it isn’t happening.”

    I shopped on line at Belk this weekend for a wedding dress. Prices were good, shipping was free, and I can return to a store close by (where inventory is limited). I wasn’t motivated by Black Friday although it was a good reminder to get cracking on finding a dress.

    With careful planning shopping Black Friday can be helpful but sticking to a budget is critical. Personally I’m most perplexed by the car commercials where they’re wrapped in big red bows. No judgments here but do you know anyone who gets a car for Christmas?

    • I can’t say I’ve ever seen a Lexus gifted to anyone with that big red bow! I would definitely stop and stare if I saw it sitting in someone’s driveway.

  8. I’m one of the ones that wrote a post about avoiding Black Friday, but hopefully it wasn’t interpreted as offensive to those who did choose to go. I agree, if you prepare, make a list and stick to your budget, it can and does work. I love to save money but, as a introverted person who strongly dislikes crowds and shopping, it’s not for me. We do a pretty simple Christmas, with limited gift giving, which makes it easier to avoid.

    • Oh my gosh, no! Not at all, Amanda. Like I said, the more opinions and viewpoints the better. There are plenty of reasons to avoid Black Friday and there are plenty of reasons to partake. It doesn’t make sense–at least to me–to judge from either side 🙂

  9. I’m not always a fan of Black Friday. I guess it always felt strange to me to celebrate thankfulness and family and then fight over a flat-screen TV 24 hours later. But this is an excellent point that Black Friday is the only way many people are able to afford gifts or other items. I hadn’t thought of that, so thank you for bringing it up.

    I think Black Friday is all right as long as you maintain a sense of civility (seriously, why tackle someone over boots?) and buy items that you planned on purchasing.

    We accidentally took advantage of several Black Friday/Cyber Monday sales. It was for items we were already planning on buying, so it worked out spendidly! We got a great deal on blinds for our home, a KitchenAid, and even the kitten we adopted.

    At the end of the day, it’s really no one’s business how anyone else is spending their money. I have a problem with the competitive “gimme gimme” culture of Black Friday, but I see nothing wrong with buying items you otherwise wanted to purchase while they’re on sale.

    • Yes, the juxtaposition does stick out to me. Fortunately, I’ve never seen anything crazy like that. I wonder how much of that is actually sought out by news crews and stores. I have a big issue with people who are rude customers ANY day of the year. And I agree, a sale is no reason to be a jerk.

  10. kim domingue

    Well, I don’t use Twitter or Facebook or anything similar to those platforms so I surely missed the hoopla over people shopping on Black Friday. I’ve only gone shopping on Black Friday three times in my 57 years. Once was to purchase two Christmas trees, one for myself and one for my daughter. A savings of almost $250. The second time was to purchase some quilt batting and a Cricuit machine as a gift. The savings amounted to well over $400….. worthwhile. The third time, I went with my sister in-law ( at my husband’s urging…..so we could “bond”). Up at 1:30 in the morning to be at Walmart for 2am. From there we went to every other store in town. We got home at 2pm. I told my husband that the following year HE could go with her because I was NEVER doing that again! It was a horrible experience for an introvert who hates crowds and there were almost no items on sale that interested me. I purchased one thing. Twelve hours, one thing…..lol! And I absolutely refuse to go to stores that open for Black Friday sales on Thanksgiving afternoon. That’s unconscionable on the part of those stores to require their employees to come in to work on Thanksgiving Day, in my opinion.

    However, if someone has made a list of items that they want and have drawn up a budget and are cautious about sticking to both AND can handle the crowds and the madness of Black Friday shopping…..well, why shouldn’t they? I rarely find a Black Friday sale on the types of gifts that I buy…..camping or rock climbing equipment, Magnalite pots, swing sets and the like are rarely featured! Cyber Monday usually has the best deals on electronics, Kitchenaid mixers, small kitchen appliances and the like. And the best part is that I don’t have to deal with crowds! I shop the after Christmas sales for small items and stocking stuffers for the following year when they’re discounted at 75 to 90% off. And when my children were young, I shopped the after Christmas sales for the majority of the next year’s presents. Nothing like getting a $150 Lego set for $15!

    My in-laws used to give us money for Christmas and, while that sounds kind of cold and impersonal, it was actually pretty nice. We could buy things we needed or wanted after Christmas when a lot of it went on sale at deep discounts…..things like winter clothing, for instance…..and get a lot more bang for the buck!

    I think that as long as you have a budget and a list then how and when and where you shop is up to each individual’s temperament and needs.

    • Sounds like it was worth it two out of the three times! 🙂 I also enjoy receiving cash or gift cards. It’s nice to spend what I want when I want. And I don’t think I’d go shopping on Thanksgiving evening, either. Though I did have to run to Walgreens for medicine last year. I felt kind of bad about that!

  11. A lot of the people I work with (teachers) shop on Black Friday – and get extra things for their classroom and for our “giving tree” too. They are also off that day – and don’t get any other weekdays off until Christmas. We went out last year on Black Friday at night and got a great deal on a TV. I wasn’t going to wait in line, but they had plenty of them – and at 6 p.m. it wasn’t crowded and we still saved $100. It’s not for us (to go in the morning) but my son had fun going with some friends the last few years. We try not to judge but think keeping within budget is key.

  12. I shop for clothes once a year, and it’s on Black Friday. I can’t pass up the deals on some designers because it’s the only time I can afford it! (Though I do all my shopping online.) I understand the Black Friday shamers, because it is out of control and kind of gross. But I’ll probably always take part in it, because I’m low income and the deals mean a lot to my wallet.

    • I definitely think it’s appalling to see workers mistreated or people fighting over things. But I’ve never witnessed anything like that. Maybe I’m not getting the deals that I think I am! 😉 Follow your budget and mind your manners works for me when I shop sales.

  13. The problem with judgement is that while it may feel almost as good as indulging in a slice of gooey chocolate cake, it accomplishes very little. Judging someone will never make them change their behaviour, so if that is the end result you are after you need to pick a different tactic. If, on the other hand, your judgement is your way of feeling better about yourself, indulge all you want – and I’ll judge you for needing judgement to bolster your self esteem (you have _got_ to love the irony in that).

    • I whole heartedly agree! All the judging that I saw on Twitter is never going to reach my friends who shopped until they dropped. And if it did, they could easily write it off. It’s much easier to dismiss someone who is being judgemental than someone who is presenting helpful information on how to follow a budget, I think.

  14. This excitement over Black Friday falls squarely in the “to each their own” portion of my brain. Though I am a sucker for a good deal, it is rare that I am in need of anything. We went to the mall so I could earn ShopKicks on Friday…now that was worth it! 🙂 While we were there my BF found a pair of shoes that were 50% off. He had to have them. I reasoned with him by saying one thing “You didn’t know they existed until two minutes after we walked in. Had we walked passed would you still be in search of boots like this?” His answer was yes. My answer is usually no. But, again, no judgement. I got a bunch of ShopKicks and he got some boots. In the end no one died and we both walked out happy. 🙂

    • Oh, gosh. I’ve been feeling so under the weather, but if I had more steam, I totally would have collected those Shopkick points! Kudos to you for doing that. I love when I find a few stores in a row that I can duck in and out of while running my regular errands. I get in some extra steps and get closer to my Target gift card!

  15. We did a little shopping on Black Friday and Cyber Monday. Nothing extreme, nothing we weren’t planning to buy anyway, just a couple of decent deals. That people get so worked up one way or the other seems a little crazy to me. Sure we should encourage everyone to act responsibly with their money, but they may be doing exactly that by shopping the sales. Hopefully no one goes overboard, whether it’s with spending money, acting unpleasantly, or judging others.

    • Perfectly put, Gary. It’s not worth getting worked up over either way. Unless you’re stumped for a post idea and then you come up with five hundred words. Guilty as charged!

  16. Best advice? Put your cart back!

    Hubs and I always go out Black Friday, now Thursday shopping. It’s the one time each year that his second love (blu-rays) goes on sale. He plans for it all year, makes a list and we execute. Apparently that’s enough for me to feel the need to defend myself every year. Thanks for talking about the other side. To each their own!

  17. That’s awesome that you scored some great deals. Makes sense to me if you can save money and/or get more of what you enjoy, why not? Though I don’t know that I’ll ever be able to push myself away from the Thanksgiving table to shop. The couch is about as far as I travel!

  18. I’m always on the lookout for good deals – on things I’m already planning to purchase. I went out last year on Black Friday to get the most bang for my buck on a gift card from my birthday. You have to be careful though, I had a $10 off coupon that you could only use on regularly priced items, but almost everything in the store was discounted. So, they had this table right next to the register of things that were not on sale – such as $15 candles. The sad thing was that people were scooping them up. I wanted to yell at them, “It’s not a deal!! You’re still spending an extra $5!!”

    You can find good deals and I have nothing against that. However, the fine print and gimmicks are frustrating because they take advantage of people.

    • Yes. And posts about that, I think, would be far better received than simply telling people they’re silly or mocking them. Coupons and the fine print, man! The death of shopper Penny!

  19. Great article Penny 🙂 and you’re so right about the encouragement. I think it’s all about being sensible and thinking about your purchases. I am all for spending money in general on things you want/like, as long as you are not getting into debt for it and it’s a sensible decision. I didn’t buy anything on Black Friday, but my husband got me some Xmas presents 😉 it was 50% off, and was stuff he was planning on getting anyway!

  20. Totally agreed. I tend to buy a lot more than usual on Black Friday/Cyber Monday, but it’s almost always things I’ve been waiting to buy until a good deal came around. Sure, plenty of people get caught making complete impulse purchases, but if you’ve been planning your shopping, there’s nothing wrong with getting good deals.

  21. My shopping advice is the same as my life advice, vague but applicable to all situations: probably don’t be stupid.

    Interpret as fits your life. (“Probably” because what’s stupid to me isn’t stupid to the next person. I have a friend who makes many choices I would not because of the sheer foolishness but they always work out for her. But she’d never run up debt so we can stay friends. 😉 So, know thyself. And don’t be stupid for your measure of stupid.)

    I’ll likely never do real Black Friday lines and middle of the night runs again because I am just too old for that but there was a nice nostalgia in doing that for fun with a couple of college friends who wanted deals on things and I wanted to just hang out. Then people lost their minds in our town and actual stabbings happened and I’ve looked at it sideways ever since.

    I’ll do a BF sale online any time, but that’s my personal preference anyway. I don’t judge if people shop til they drop because – I was going to offer a good reason to do it but you know what? They could be buying their Great Aunt a fifth x-box, it’s still none of my business.

    I do take issue with the stores starting the nonsense of opening on Thanksgiving. For the love of cheezits, retail workers have it bad enough, we have to encroach on the holiday as well? It’s the principle of the thing. But they saw a willingness to be absurd so they’re accommodating it.

    I do still have the last thing I ever bought on a Black Friday in store sale, and I didn’t even remember it was Black Friday: an $8 hair dryer. Must be ten years old now. This year I got my holiday cards 50% off thanks to BF sales online of course so I’m done with that particular project.

  22. I’m here for this! YES! Every Black Friday-Cyber Monday weekend, the hate and criticism towards shoppers comes out. I don’t see the need for it. Many people are responsible shoppers. They plan out what they are going to buy and once it goes on sale for Black Friday, they buy it. Money saved on something you were planning to buy anyways!

    The biggest tip I would give is like I mentioned, to go into holiday shopping with a course of action about what things you’re going to buy. It helps when the temptation arises to buy something on sale that you don’t really need.

  23. Hi Penny – Black Friday critic here 🙂 I hear your point about not being judgy and about some people needing to shop when there are deals. But those are definitely not the only folks shopping on Black Friday. Malls are packed every weekend and shopping is a popular hobby. For everyone trying to pedal back our consumerist culture, it makes no sense to stay silent on Black Friday. I don’t judge people who are on a tight budget and take advantage of deals to buy much-needed items. But let’s not glorify and celebrate shopping and engage in the adrenaline rush of buying. The point of #OptOutside is to use the holiday weekend to build a culture of community and communion with nature where it is missing. Maybe it’s not missing in rural Illinois, but I can assure you that hordes of shoppers in big West Coast cities are not getting outside and don’t know their neighbors either. Just another perspective — thanks for reading!

    • Oh, I don’t disagree that people should spend more time valuing other things. But I wonder if REI isn’t preaching to the choir; they are, after all, a store that depends on people getting outside (or really liking their brand names as is the case in Chicago and suburbia). There are plenty of other companies that close on all major holidays like Thanksgiving (Von Maur – might be an IL department store), and they don’t advertise it. So I do think the hashtag adds some value, but I also know that part of it has to be strategic for them. Everything a company or a blogger or individual does on social media tracks back to them, right?!

      And I think there’s value in reminding people to not be so materialistic, but I also think that the way we go about sending those reminds makes all the difference. If everything was worded like your comment, I think there’d be a lot more listeners! 🙂 So glad you chimed in with such an powerful point!

  24. I totally agree Penny.

    Black Friday and Cyber Monday provide a great opportunity for people who have been waiting to make a big saving on items they either need or they want. This is being frugal.

    The thing that’s tricky about these event days is the marketing hype that’s designed to encourage you to spend more than you want on things you don’t need.

    What I really don’t like is the news clips we see of people literally fighting to snag the last heavily discounted TV on the shelves. Sadly Black Friday can make people quite nasty.

  25. This is great advice! I personally do take advantage of Black Friday sales when it is something that I need and in my budget. I can’t afford to take a stand against Black Friday. For many people these sales are the only way for them to afford what they need

  26. Amen! I can’t stand the crowds, but I love the online sales, especially for clothes my kids need!
    I’ve been thinking about why we don’t, and probably won’t ever do a no spend Christmas. We often don’t buy stuff we want/need and wait till Christmas or birthdays to ask each other for it. Same with the family members we exchange gifts with. Not to mention….we have kids! As you point out, it boils down to whether you’re going to buy what you want/need on a different day, or wait and do it during a particular day or season, whether to save money or to celebrate.

  27. Can’t agree with you more Penny. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with taking advantage of the Black Friday Sales… IF you’re buying stuff that you need and already planning on buying. Nothing beats stretching your budget.

    The key is to not overspend or buy for the sake of buying. That’s just silly.

    We need to stop judging and shaming people. 🙂

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